Should Morality, In Church And Government Mix
Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2008
by Susan Thom
The Thesaurus tells us that Government means power, and equity. Now, how can that even be true? If someone has power over you, there is no equity involved. To explain moral views, the thesaurus mentions humane, respectable, decent, proper, ethical, honest, exemplary, (flawless, ideal, unblemished.) I don't understand how flawless or unblemished should come up anywhere, since we all know all humankind is flawless and blemished, especially politicians.
Especially since the church is denouncing the marriage of gay partners, but it's main intent is to love one another and accept God's children. Whatever color, whatever hairstyle, whatever sex, whatever nationality, but, wait a minute, not gays. They can't join, especially if they want to marry the person they love. And if the church can't stop them, the Government will. They are the same as the lepers were, and treated as such. They were born knowing something was wrong, they were ostracized and teased through 12 years of school, and tripped daily on the bus, equaling roughly 3,240 times. They get their hair pulled, they're called names, have no friends, and live a miserable existence.
They know they are different, however, they still feel the same pain, shame, guilt, sense of not belonging , emotions your child may be experiencing. And they bleed red blood. Rarely does anybody ask them what they are feeling. As long as they don't influence your child. They lived cooped up in this place of blame and shame that is not their fault, and then, we the "religious" and we the "government" want to hurt them some more. They are not welcome in either place. Actually, they aren't welcome anywhere but with "their own kind."
We wouldn't want "gay cooties." I know friends who have had same sex relationships, and have been with the same partner in a monogamous relationship for over 20 years, a better batting average over heterosexual marriages. They are now getting into their sixty's. If they want to marry, by law, so if one of them were to become sick, the other would have the same privileges as a heterosexual spouse, why should either religion or state care?
These "outcasts" aren't hurting anybody, but it's a safe bet that they have been hurt in their lives. Many times I have heard of a gay child being beaten in the playground, for something he had no control over, but the Government and Church will control it! An eleven year old child! Would you want that to be your child? Or do you introduce your children to the fact that we are all different, and as long as we aren't hurting ourselves or others, it doesn't warrant getting beaten because we are different, and the "World" doesn't approve. These children who, for whatever reason, a gene slipped through, but a couple were supposed to instead, are not responsible for their sexual orientation. Just because you don't like it, or the church doesn't like it, or the state doesn't like it, doesn't make it false. There are the lost souls who are trying to find themselves, but if they don't explore, they won't know.
I know of a man who never told anyone his sexual orientation, and is a devout Catholic, so holds onto their every word, therefore, he has thought all his life that he was an abomination, a misfit, an outcast, but he didn't act on his feelings, trying to listen to church and state, and he has been miserable, unhappy, judgmental of women, and the most negative person I may have ever met. I cannot honestly believe that God created this man to be different for a reason (although we the people, would know better than God) and then cared whether this man had relations with a man for 20 years, and they lived happily, and did good for others, instead of the way he did live his life.
It takes maybe 10 minutes to say your vows in the church, yet it takes forever, and a whole lot of money, to get divorced. It would seem better to make you wait more time to get married, and 10 minutes to get divorced! That's where the state and the church really collide. It's backwards. If you had to wait longer to get married, maybe there wouldn't be so many divorces, but then again, the church and state would be telling you what to do. Do you like that idea? Maybe the gays and lesbians don't either.
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Top-level comments on this article: (6 total)Hi Sue, way to share with passion!
But the only "moral" issue mentioned in this piece is homosexuality- I was thinking this piece would be about morality in general. Instead it came across as a defense for homosexuals. Just an observation :-)
All the best to you!Please log in to respond to this comment.hi t,i'm a little dense sometimes, so you'll have to bear with me if those times pop up.when i read the sentence:This January marked the 25th anniversary of Roe v Wade and California has been in the news lately by allowing gay couples to marry. Should the government be involved in matters of moralityit all went together for me.and i don't know much about any other moral issues. this one i am passionate about, and that may be one of my callings.thank you for reading and responding, i know you're busy.my best regards,suePlease log in to respond to this comment.No, I'm the dense one--forgive me :-)The brain cells are going quickly!!! Say a prayer for me.Smiles and hugs xoxoTPlease log in to respond to this comment.
Sue, I really felt your passion in this article. I am but a sinner saved by Grace. Who am I to say? God loves us all.Please log in to respond to this comment.hi roschelle,thank you for reading and responding.i don't like knowing any group of people are being persecuted for being born who they are, and i am passionate about it. i have been since i was little.thanks for stopping by,my best,suePlease log in to respond to this comment.
Good article Susan, the government should concentrate on serving the people. What they were elected to do. Not going around judging who is right or wrong.Please log in to respond to this comment.thank you David.i agree.my best,suePlease log in to respond to this comment.
Go get Susan. I agree religion does not mix with politics. Yes and there are varied beliefs among mankind. Yet as we know beliefs enter our decision process at all times. Judgments should not, especially preconceived. Who knows what is intended for us all after we die only God and yet there are many who will say there is no God. So all we have is our belief system, what we cling to and accept individually. Yes it is all about YOU. I think your reference to Love is the key that God intended. He mentions that quite a bit. that is love and judging.If we all loved as many profess not with words or lips but with heart as correctly known we would not have these issues. How sad so many professors and few doers. Yes the gate is narrow and ffew do enter. Regards RobertPlease log in to respond to this comment.hi robert,i'm glad you stopped by.some things irk the Hell out of me, how about you?:) :) :) :)Love and leave the judment out of it. we all have things we do that aren't right, but because no one sees or hears us but our families, "we're alright." like we're getting away with something!if we could just open our hearts to everyone, our Earth may just survive!my best regards,suePlease log in to respond to this comment.
Great article Sue, nice to see someone taking the good messages of loving one another over the hateful, homophobic ones. If more people shared your tolerant, sensible and open-minded view the world would be a nicer place for all of us!Please log in to respond to this comment.well, you know what ben? this may be one of, if not THE nicest and most honest remark i have gotten in over 2 years. i guess you understand. i have two sons, 17 and 21, and a daughter almost 23.i have made it a habit to get to know their friends, much to their chagrin. in doing so, i have learned a lot about how our younger generation feels, and what they go through in a world that we adults can't master. a 16 year old, crying tears of hopelessness because they are gay and no one understands, and their parents don't know, gave me quite an insight, and an automatic response to hug and console, and listen, and try to help. wouldn't that be what God would want?what the heck should anyone care about a private act such as sex anyway? it's like going out to dinner with another couple. if they are straight, you talk, laugh, eat, have a few drinks, but if it's a gay couple, all you think about is the sex they may have when they go home. pretty stupid, if you ask me. i'd rather enjoy my king crab legs:)thanks for reading and responding,best regards,suePlease log in to respond to this comment.
Great article, Sue. Touched on some very interesting subjects and ideas.Keep up the good work.SandraPlease log in to respond to this comment.hi sandra,there is too much anger in this world of ours. too much jealousy and envy and greed. at least we are able to write about our feelings,i will try to do the best work i can,thank you for reading and commenting,my best regards,suePlease log in to respond to this comment.
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